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Who Tells a Patient’s Family That Their Loved One is Dying?

Who Tells a Patient’s Family That Their Loved One is Dying?

Should it be the doctor or the nurse? You decide

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AbusyRN2go

2 months ago

405 articles submitted

September 03, 2008

Imagine the following situation: You are assigned a 91-year-white female, admitted with urosepsis, requiring mechanical ventilation and intubation. Despite IV antibiotics, fevers jump through the roof along with climbing WBC counts and bands with a left shift. Within hours, Levophed is infusing at 60 cc/hr, NS is running wide-open, urine output stops flowing, and acrocyanosis arrives. Dopamine is added. Pitressin comes next. Soon you run out of electrical wall sockets as more inotropic drug support is added to sustain life.
The family hovers outside the door, without any sort of DNR discussion with the medical team. As the night wears on, the patient looks paler and paler, her cardiac rhythm now shows major ST depression leading way to a wide complex slow ventricular rhythm. By morning the patient’s systolic blood pressure is near 54/?, and she’s unresponsive as you provide oral care. Yet still the family "wants everything done." But there is nothing more to do. Palpable pulses barely exist. Mottling creeps along her limbs. There is no life.
The two residents seek to place a new arterial line instead of sitting down with the family to initiate a discussion about medical futility and comfort care. The nurse mumbles to the team, asking them to talk with the family about death and dying all night long, to no avail. The family continues to wonder in the hallway, hovering outside her room as her HR slowly begins to drop. They want dialysis now.
Still, no one talks to them about DNR options. No healthcare proxy exists. If you were in this situation, what would you have done? Does a nurse have the right to tell a family about DNR options or should it remain a discussion with the physicians? Please respond here with your input.


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    kaye7

    2 months ago

    448 comments

    Nurse I think are the ones who spend the most time talking to patients and families about death doctors usually hide

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    Krislyn

    2 months ago

    122 comments

    I think it is sad that the doctors don't want to get involved because some families don't want to hear it from the nurse. We are dealing with that right now in my facility. One of the nurse's I work with patient is rapidly deteriorating and the daughter doesn't want to hear it when Diane explained it to her that he is declining she went to our DON and reported her.. The doctor wants no parts of it and the patient is telling his family that he is ready to go. They won't change his code status, the family refuses to accept that he doesn't want to fight for life anymore he is ready to go..

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    AbusyRN2go

    2 months ago

    3486 comments

    I think nurses are the ones who bring up the topic of DNR we are the ones who have to answer all the families questions and spend the time , the doctors do not ever like to talk about death.

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    Krislyn

    2 months ago

    122 comments

    I am not really sure who is supposed to speak with the family about the DNR but if i was the nurse i wouldn't have been able to watch them do that to the patient. I think that someone should have stepped in a been an advocate, explain to the family that they were doing everything possible but it was not working and broach the subject of letting her go... letting her pass in peace.... After they knew that they could not save her.. There is a time for everyone and when God is calling you nothing will bring you back.. They should have discussed the DNR and made sure it happened

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