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Deaths in psych hospitals
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Posted 3 months ago Wow, what is going on with all of the deaths in psych hospitals? Here is another story. I do not udnerstand. Ginny |
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| Posted 3 months ago Here we go again. Cannot get this thing to work. I get "type a reply to submt" I have the story copied and pasted and it just will not take it. Ginny |
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| Posted 3 months ago I give. can't get the damn thing to work. go here and read please. Then comment. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20080821-0556-ca-troubledrehab.html Ginny |
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| Posted 3 months ago Good Grief! I'm so taxed after thinking about the other two people and the baby and the Hospice nurse! I just don't know what to say anymore. Is the world going to hell? Alright, well, you know what I mean. |
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| Posted 3 months ago To Hell in a handbasket. Ginny |
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| Posted 3 months ago Yes! I didn't want to offend anyone but yeah. Where do these people come from? How can this counsellor or who ever he was falsify the documentation? He had to have known that he would get caught. Now he'll have to live with this for the rest of his life. And every day many of us walk out the door feeling like we always have to be right there 100% on everyday, or we might get sued. Then these idiots go on with this blatant disregard for human life. 3 DEATHS?! Why? |
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| Posted 3 months ago I have seen what is described in this article Falsifying times on rounds sheets, techs sleeping. Happens every day. In private and puublic hospitals. Sometimes, I think techs are forced to falisfy the sheets b/c they are overworked. Other times, they falsify b/c they are playing.
Ginny |
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| Posted 3 months ago I just do not understand how it can go on for so long, Ginny |
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| Posted 3 months ago How many have to die before it stops? Karen Swift Jackson RN |
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| Posted 3 months ago If anyone who has ever worked in psych is totally surprised by this I can't understand why. I know that this was a very upscale private hospital but it happens all the time in other hospitals. I don't necessarily mean the deaths but techs who falsify records, who don't do the checks they are required to, who are often too busy with the multiple other tasks assigned to them. I know I'm repeating myself but let's look at staffing patterns here. Even in California where there are mandated nurse patient ratios, behavioral health still has the highest ratios of any specialty. And when you consider that in CA psych techs are considered licensed personnel that can mean one nurse and one tech for 12 patients. Who is going to have that kind of caseload and still be able to keep up with q15 minute checks. In most ICUs the ration is 1:1 or at most 1:2 and their patients aren't trying to kill themselves. Anyone who has worked a CD unit with detoxing patients knows they can go from bad to worse in a second. What about the psychotic patients who attack another patient without warning? Can we monitor them when we have 11 other patients who need attention? |
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| Posted 3 months ago Staffing is a huge issue as far as safety for our patients are concerned. I could have up to ten patients on night shift on a neuro/med/surg/tele unit with one other nurse and his/or her ten patients. We usually are lacking acare assistant too. We are continously making a case for our unit to get extra help from the supervisor in house- I get so frustrated with this issue. I want to say OK would you want a loved one on this unit? We struggle to meet basic needs/ADL'S, on top of managing serious assessment changes, on top of keeping confused, disoriented, or intoxicated patients simply safe. I never realized in nursing school that advocating for your patients would include justifying "numbers" with staffing to receive help in order to provide basic patient care that is expected. |
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| Posted 3 months ago Thanks all for your great feedback on this topic Ginny |
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| Posted 3 months ago Wow, isn't that one of the first things you learned in nursing school don't document it if you haven't done it. For 1,400 dollars a night you would think that they could provide at least quality care! Crazy!! |
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| Posted 3 months ago leah: you would think so wouldn't you Ginny |
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| Posted 3 months ago it is just unforgivable. Karen Swift Jackson RN |
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| Posted 3 months ago I know there are times when I have so many patients that need my attention and they don't get it. I just pray when I go from room to room that they are ok. I feel like I bust butt all the time and still feel and know I should do more. I go home defeated almost all the time. I have never understood those nurse or staff that sit around the whole shift doing nothing, how do they live with themselves. My job I just quit was LTC , I had the medicare unit and one other unit, so 50 residents for myself and two CNAs. There is one other LPN and her two CNAs in the house that has 55 residents. Things can go bad fast and there isn't anyone to help. She can't leave her residents to help me, but being an RN I have to be able to leave mine to help her. We can have nocs that are horrible and our residents lives are at risk. We are the ones that are going to pay, not the administration that puts us in these positions. They tie are hands behind are back and tell us to do are work, and they want more than what we can offer. Please don't pay any attention to my misspelled words or typos. Sorry I'll try harder next time. |
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| Posted 3 months ago You are not alone- Isn't that concerning. I just don't know why this issue isn't in front line view of someone who can and/or should do something about it. I feel I don't have a voice outside of the requests/or pleads I make to the nursing supervisor to get additional staff from in-house.I am not trying to get out of doing my best at the career I feel I was called to do. I just think it should be required to staff adequately according to the needs of the patients. I feel my license is on the line everyday-it's like theres always some situation that pushes the envelope because we are not staffed to handle the unexpected. The public expectations is not what is provided in many cases-this should not be. I am a "glass is half full" type of person but in this case, I feel pretty helpless and vulnerable. |
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| Posted 3 months ago I begged for help in one psych hospital where I worked. I never got it. Then, I asked for a transfer which I never got. I at last quit. Hated to quit. I had been there for 5 years. But, I was putting my license out there. After I left, help was hired. A lot of help. Ginny |
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| Posted 3 months ago Well about the patient giving another patient meds that they OD on , not enough info. Was this a pt capable of self administering meds? Or were they given their meds but not watched properly to make sure they were swallowed? The other pt that came in for OD on Oxycontin and Xanax I don't know either this article doesn't tell what other meds were given but it does portray a incompetent image with the 15 min checks and all. As for the hung pt . It sounds as if pt have access to all over the grounds with the tennis courts and all.... but I would have too say even with the little information the pt probably was not minitered closely enough, could be a staffing issue? Interesting |
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| Posted 3 months ago Squirmals, I have been in the same position more than once. I ALWAYS wonder why I'm still there documenting an hour after others have left. Once in psych we had a pt. admitted early in the shift, I repeatedly asked the counsellors (like CNA's in this place) to go through her belongings and give her her things. At eleven, she still couldn't have her slippers yet. Finally, when I found the counsellors playing chess (with each other mind you not a pt.) I took the bag and dropped it on the chess board, this was like 10:45pm. The next day I was told that there had been a complaint and a threat to quit if I remained the charge nurse. |
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| Posted 3 months ago I recently had a CNA quit saying I was riding butt. I am not one to ride anyones butt, I don't expect any more out of the people I work with than myself. I push myself all shift, I want my patients to at least have the basics. Just answer the lights, keep the people dry, be proactive...don't let the skin breakdown and give them water. I would love just this, but there are caregivers that just think this is to much. I don't know what the answer is. The admin just bumped up nocs with one extra CNA, the wing that got the extra aide still stinks. When I'd go to that wing the nurse and three aides would be outside smoking and lights and TAB alarms would be going off. They don't seem to care. One of the managers worked nocs and I thought cool he'll see what goes on and do something about it. How wrong I was...he went out smoking with the rest of them. They had two falls that night too, wonder why? I'm done with this place, I finally got a job in the hospital. I broke up my name tag and said I'll never be back...knock on wood! Please don't pay any attention to my misspelled words or typos. Sorry I'll try harder next time. |
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| Posted 3 months ago Squirmals, you have B**** I wish I could have thought of breaking up my name tag like that! You know if the counsellors were playing chess with a patient, I probably wold have done it myself. Smoke 1 person at a time on your BREAK!!! Ther would be less of this sort of thing happening if just that one thing was changed. No need to falsify if your actually doing your job. But I guess that's the whole point. I'd never ask anyone to do anything I wouldn't do myself. That counts for lights, changing incontinence, and doing checks! |
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| Posted 3 months ago hkeaton, sounds like we have alot in common. While psych was 1:6, I had 11 vents and tele to 1 on the night shifts. Then someone codes on another unit if your on the code team you stick the other nurse with 22 vents/tele. You just have to hope the other nurse and the patients are O.K. Try to start a line and while worrying about that. |
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| Posted 3 months ago As a young mental tech I remembered one of the best supervisor I ever had a Rn telling me to treat ever complaint by the patient with seriousness even if they were being somatic. This has helped me even in skilled nursing as I have never ran into a lawsuit in over a decade as a nurse. Being attentive to every patient will prevent a patient dying on the nurse......there will in event of death be some documentation or communication which can identify some course of action. Many times your effort will be questioned you will be criticized for being too attentive but you will not have to stand before a judge to give account of ones action. |
